Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 Next > HOMELAND SECURITY HAM Loaded Pockets. by Michael de Bethencourt | Dec 2, 2011 | Colt D-frames, Customizing, Hammer shrouds, … $6 Shipping. Firing the 125-grain Black Hills and the 110-grain Federal ammunition produced a dead heat in the size of our five-shot groups. Most obvious was the lack of shroud underneath the barrel, leaving the ejector rod unprotected. All photos FBI unless noted. The adjustment relied upon friction to stay in place without clicks. It fits the early model Forehand & Wadsworth Top-Break revolvers. Weight is 16oz +-. But if the shrouded-hammer snubbie is an old invention, then the adjustable rear sight on the Ultra Lite Protector is the latest innovation. made of 6061 T6 aluminum matte black … Looking to get a snubby for pocket / ankle / backup in .38 or .357, interested in your opinions. Of course, you won’t have a problem with revolvers that don’t have a hammer spur because nothing could catch on your trouser pocket. But 1950 saw another significant development in the history of Colt's snubnose revolvers. The K6s’ hammer is internal and sheltered by the upper rear portion of the revolver’s frame. Lighter and smaller in length and height than its competitors, this gun deserves serious consideration. In essence, an alloy-framed version of the Detective Special, when equipped with a 2-inch barrel it weighed about 15 ounces. The I’m With ROSCOE Hammer Shroud is made for Colt D-Frame revolvers including the Detective Special, Agent and Cobra. My model 85 being new, does have the key-lock feature. All were popular for plainclothes, undercover and off-duty law enforcement use. A hammer shroud was available as an option, beginning in 1950. This is the lightest 38 spl Colt produced , making it a super carry piece for pocket (with shroud) or purse. In our 7-yard rapid-fire test, the smooth trigger action helped us keep the shots in line vertically. I have a new Taurus model 85, 5 shot, external hammer, blued revolver in .38 I have been to Waller's site, and am very interested in picking up one of his hammer shrouds. Staging refers to pausing during the double action press just before let-off, almost as if we were presetting the hammer into single action but without touching the hammer. These shrouds are a precise copy of the original Colt Hammer Shroud and are interchangeable with the original. Kingston, NY 12401 Phone: 866.686.7424 Be sure to print your return address and note whether you are requesting a blue-black or chromed color hammer shroud, and specify the revolver. Our rapid-fire test started from low ready, then we simply engaged a Hoffners ABC16 training target (hoffners.com) with two shots to the chest, or A zone, and one to the head, or B zone, in rapid succession. Strangely, our Oehler chronograph told us that average velocity from this ammunition was the same in both guns, but the accuracy of the Smith & Wesson was much better, about 2.4 inches on average. The side panels are rounded to fill the palm, and we felt this encouraged the gun to rotate upward in the hand. The ejector rod itself was noticeably shorter as well. Accordingly, we tested exclusively with hollow-point ammunition. But we also noticed that the inner diameter of the barrel on the Smith & Wesson was much tighter than the one found on the Taurus. This may be true for some shooters but I have never felt nor have any of the students and friends who have shot with them in my classes. $30.00. Next came a model 60 around ’88 +/-. $13.95 . In 1982 the Agent finish was changed to an unpolished flat matte black. But clicking on the statistics page we found that this refers to the finish rather than actual frame construction. For beginner shooters I still think the Mark III is a better choice. Gadsden Flag February 28, 2019 At 13:18. After ten strings of aggressive shooting, we found only two shots printed outside of the 7.8- by 5.5-inch A zone. Joined: Sep 3, 2009 Messages: 656 Likes Received: 10. At [PDFCAP(2)] our first recorded data came from single-action only shots from a sandbag rest at 15 yards. Jack First Inc. 1201 Turbine Dr. For some reason we managed only one sub-3-inch group with the 129-grain JHP +P Federal Hydra-Shok ammunition. The bottom of the grip was cut short even with the frame to aid concealment. In the B zone, all the shots were in line straight up or down, but one shot was missing completely. Forehand & Wadsworth Double Action 32cal Barrel, 2-1/2" FEB0718.44.01R. Bobbing the hammer is less expensive than attaching a hammer shroud but I think the shrouds solve many more problems than bobbing the hammer will. Gun Tests has been independently reviewing firearms since 1989. However, its installation required gunsmithing skill. The shroud covered the hammer and made the gun a snag-free gun that retained the ability to cock back the hammer and go at it single action. You’ll recall that in the October 2020 issue, I cut-and-pasted almost all of then-presidential candidate Joe Biden’s gun-regulation plans listed on his website, with... Write CSS OR LESS and hit save. Smith & Wesson calls the finish on this gun “bead blast,” but to our eyes it made the aluminum gun look like stainless steel. We took advantage of this option and sought to push the limits of their 3.4-inch (average) sight radius by shooting five-shot groups from a sandbag rest at 15 yards. Worked fine but that was a .38 made before .38 Special. $950.00 +shipping&Ins. Ugly gun with a shrouded hammer,,, I really liked that little shooter. Gemini Customs is a true custom shop, featuring our own exotic wood … 2d 15h 56m 0s. These hammer shrouds come in both black and chrome finishes and are available for Colt Detective Specials, Smith and Wesson J-frames, Ruger SP 101s, and some Taurus and Rossi revolvers. Transition from the First to Second Series was gradual, with some post-WWII Second Series guns retaining short ejector rods and checkered hammers. [PDFCAP(3)]The 638-series J-frame revolver is smaller than the Taurus 851 SSUL by approximately 0.30 inch in length. This is referred to as stacking. The statistics page is also where we found out its given name of the Ultra Lite Protector. At the 15-yard bench, we found the Smith & Wesson to be slightly more accurate than the Taurus 851SSUL. Some materials have changed, and there are finish options to choose from–but the basics are rock-solid-wheel gun. This gun is in very good to excellent condition. The Cobra was the first Colt Snubnose with an alloy frame. Some of these Agents were shipped with Colt factory installed hammer shrouds. Area Code: 406 . I'm leaving towards shroud due to the inherent fishhook effect external hammers can have catching … Some folks argue against attaching a hammer shroud because they believe that the “bump” will be driven into the web of the shooting hand upon firing. Find Colt Cobra revolver parts and schematics today with Numrich Gun Parts. This was their attempt to make a "hammerless" revolver. The ribbed shroud is about as light as it can be, and the locking mechanism with the frame gives additional rigidity, accuracy and reliability. At the range we discovered that there were two ways to approach the long double-action trigger press on each of these guns. The checkered cylinder latch was contoured to assist loading and removal of spent cartridges. The Detective Special was often issued with a factory hammer shroud installed. Soft rubber grips and the virtue of having the hammer shrouded - rather than removed like other J-frames - means single-action shooting is possible. But all the Taurus revolvers regardless of size feature a coil spring, and this has a lot to do with trigger feel. This added strength to the lockup and removed stress and friction that adds to trigger pull weight via contact with the tip of the ejector rod. We found that consistent hits upon the target were a direct result of controlling recoil. When installed hammer shrouds create a slight “bump” high on the back-strap. Colt never made a concealed-hammer Detective Special, but did offer a flip-up hammer shroud accessory. I was shooting the bull with a buddy the other day,,, He told me there was a hammer shroud that is an add-on piece. These systems make shoulder holster carrying more affordable, and are available for use with a variety of handgun models by several of the most popular gun manufacturers. Buy It. Covering the hammer spur with the tip of your thumb while drawing a revolver from a pocket has been highly recommended since the latter 19th century. 8 Kingsbury Lane, North Billerica, MA 01862 We could pull straight through, with the last bit of travel giving us the sensation of speeding up, or we could stage the trigger. Forehand & Wadsworth Revolver Hammer Shroud, Blued. Cobra: This was a lightweight, alloy-framed version of the Detective Special chambered in .22 LR, .32 Colt/S&W, .38 Special (first issue) and later .38 Special only (second issue). with factory Hammer Shroud. 5d 9h 1m 48s. 2 bids. Twelve of the A-zone shots formed a 5-inch group nearly dead center. The mailing address is: SnubTraining.com, Attn: Hammer Shrouds, This is the lightest 38 spl Colt produced , making it a super carry piece for pocket (with shroud) or purse. To use, simply place the shroud over the hammer and press it forward so that the top of the shroud is in contact with the hammer and the bottom is in contact with the frame. Add to My Saved Parts . Bought my first J frame in ’84-85. Yet, it still allows for a cocked, single-action shot if you desire. The blued guns had blued steel parts and blue-black anodized aluminum frame and cylinder crane. At the range we found that point of impact could be moved more than 2 inches left or right at a distance of 15 yards. Please email any questions. Location: Litchfield Park,AZ,USA. Forehand & Wadsworth Outside Hammer Gun Top Lever #D055. The mailing address is: SnubTraining.com, Attn: Hammer Shrouds, 8 Kingsbury Lane, North Billerica, MA 01862 by Michael de Bethencourt | Apr 5, 2009 | Hammer shrouds, Uncategorized. *Note: This gun has a very loud mechanical and valve noise. Cocking the hammer allows for a lighter trigger pull, which can mean much better accuracy. The rubber grip completely covered both the front and rear strap and cushioned the space to the rear of the trigger guard. Colt .38 Special snubnose revolvers (clockwise from top left): alloy-framed Cobra, Detective Special with factory installed hammer shroud and alloy-framed Agent. So kinda wimpy. One decision for those looking for a concealed carry gun has been to buy an 85 with a hammer, or an 85 without. CTRL + SPACE for auto-complete. Gun Tests Recommends• Taurus 851 SSUL Ultra Lite Protector .38 Special, $461. This revolver is a classic. This is a permanent alteration, and eliminates cocking the hammer to make a precise, single action shot. The rubber grip leaves the back strap bare and ends even with the bottom of the grip frame or butt. Hi All, Wow, I never thought I would look for a revolver with a shrouded hammer. This model also included a hammer lock, which was key-operated from the left side just above the contoured and checkered cylinder release. However, its installation required gunsmithing skill. With the purpose of self-defense in mind, each gun was rated for use with higher-pressure ammunition, referred to in this case as .38 Special +P. Because it has a shrouded hammer it can be manually cocked and fired single-action. I have a Model 36 that would love to have a shroud for it's hammer. You can also go with a spur-less external hammer, or simply “bob off” the spur on a revolver with a conventional exposed hammer. In fact, Smith & Wesson refers to its shrouded-hammer J-frames revolvers as Bodyguard Style and has registered that name. Adjustment is by a small screw on the right side of the frame. Its front sight was a lined ramp integral with the barrel shroud. Colt never made a concealed-hammer Detective Special, but did offer a flip-up hammer shroud accessory. I carry the 637 more than the 638, the reason is, that shroud is more trouble than it's worth for the minor convenience of "snag free" draw. All but the 110-grain rounds were labeled +P. Of course both options have their fans and detractors. The front sight was the typical ramp design machined as part of the barrel shroud and lined to prevent glare. But no matter how we shot the 638-3, we found that the key to controlling the elevation of our hits was mastering the grip. The hammer shroud could also be retrofitted on guns without it. Barrel length was 2 inches. Smaller-framed guns with limited grip surface demand closer attention to follow through. Weather in this area of the country has temporarily shut down businesses for the foreseeable future. Free shipping. The distinguishing characteristic in this test turned out to be the shrouded hammer design. It has surface blemishes and marks. The I’m With ROSCOE Hammer Shroud is made for Colt D-Frame revolvers including the Detective Special, Agent and Cobra. 1 bids. The shroud offered the shooter the advantage of smoothing the outline of the gun up, like one got when he had the hammer spur removed, while retaining the ability to make a single … The trigger pull will be a full double-action pull for each shot. This makes the revolver more easily drawn from concealment, as it prevents the hammer spur from catching covering garments. As the title says, for a CCW snubby, do you prefer the conventional external hammer or "hammerless," meaning a hammer shroud? Within a year they introduced a hammer shroud that was available on all three models, The Detective Special, the Cobra, and the Agent. Revolvers in the Smith & Wesson lineup with frames larger than the 638-3’s J-frame utilize a single leaf spring to power the hammer drop. The Pocket-Safe Hammer Shroud is a pop-on plastic device that covers the hammer, keeping it from snagging on clothing, and pops-off when the trigger is pulled. Free shipping. To order a hammer shroud please mail either a 3″ x 5″ or 5″ x 8″ padded envelope and affix $1.51 in stamps for the return postage. These hammer shrouds come in both black and chrome finishes and are available for Colt Detective Specials, Smith and Wesson J-frames, Ruger SP 101s, and some Taurus and Rossi revolvers. Discussion in 'Handguns' started by HOMELAND SECURITY HAM, Jul 9, 2010. They are precision... Snub Training – Waller and Sons hammer shrouds. Contact Us. The original nickel coating has been mostly worn off. Coil mainsprings tend to introduce an increase of pressure to the trigger before letting off. However, we couldn’t help but notice that debris was being spit from the break between the cylinder and the forcing cone. Our Pick. To order a hammer shroud please mail either a 3″ x 5″ or 5″ x 8″ padded envelope and affix $1.51 in stamps for the return postage. .38 Special Guns International #: 101242081 Seller's Inventory #: Category: Colt Revolvers - Agent - .38 Special Revolvers Seller's Information When emailing or calling sellers direct, please mention that you saw their listing on GunsInternational.com Seller: Antique & Modern Firearms, Inc. In 1955 came a third variation, the Bodyguard. We turned it clockwise to move the sight blade left and counterclockwise for shifting it to the right. At the bottom of the page it says "Hammer Shroud will fit some Taurus". Aarond. JAS104 Jun 16, 2015. Reply. Of note was the addition of a spring loaded detent in the crane and the subtraction of the ejector rod from the function of cylinder lockup. Some of the difference can be attributed to the barrel, which measured just less than 1.9 inches long. The Agent was intended to be a highly concealable undercover revolver with a minimal grip to aid concealment. You just need to place your thumb in the spot where the hammer spur should be. That shroud attracts lint and dust like it's got glue in there. Colt Agent 38 special with hammer shroud. Free shipping. Colt Revolvers Detective Special (D Frame) Parts List. SnubTraining.com will be offering them as a courtesy to both Waller and Son and any interested snub shooter. This hammer shroud shows signs of usage. The hammer is shrouded to avoid its snagging on clothing, so the weapon is double action only.All have short barrels and originally fired the 5.75 mm (.22 calibre) Velo-dog cartridge, although many of the Velo-Dogs produced after 1900 accepted .22 LR or .25 ACP rounds. The Jack Ruby Colt Cobra was returned to his estate many years later and was sold at auction. This hammer shroud shows signs of usage. Note that our customer service staffers are also affected by the weather and will likely not have additional details on your payment or order. Sort by: 0 Schematic w/ Parts List Colt Detective Special Schematic W/ Parts List ... Hammer Shroud Screw, Used Factory Original (3 Req'd) Product #: 175370B Part Key: NI. As some of you have noticed from the web site, Waller and Son have transferred to us all of their remaining revolver hammer shrouds. Unless otherwise noted, these reviews carry the guns’ prices at the time of the original review. The Smith & Wesson revolver weighed in at 15 ounces, 2 ounces less than the Taurus — a difference that might be traced to design differences. This will cause delays in deliveries both into and out of our facilities for the coming weeks. As the title says, for a CCW snubby, do you prefer the conventional external hammer or "hammerless," meaning a hammer shroud? Weight is 16oz +-. Colt Cobra: Nickel plated alloy (15 oz. With virtually no exposed hammer, the Bodyguard had the perks of the Centennial, with the addition of manual cocking for single-action shooting. This 1971 vintage Agent is fitted with a 2 inch barrel, serrated ramped front sight, checkered wood grips with Colt medallions, Rampant Colt stamped hammer shroud, built on a alloy frame which is serrated on the top, is blue/black finished, and chambered in .38 Special. We think more revolvers should offer this design. $8.00 shipping. At only $461, we would buy the Taurus 851 SSUL ahead of the more expensive Smith & Wesson 638-3, $620. When the trigger is pulled the shroud is designed to pop off the hammer and thus pose no impediment to the rapid deployment of the weapon in a critical situation. Ten separate strings for a total of 30 shots were fired. The improved and more common 14-2 and 15-2 changed to a simple indexing pin in the frame that would align with a hole in the shroud. Colt Detective Specials were issued later, usually equipped with a hammer shroud. With the cylinder and crane opened, we saw the numbers 638-3 imprinted on the frame. The distinguishing characteristic in this test turned out to be the shrouded hammer design.
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